VIDEO: NH Gay Marriage Foe Focusing on Jobs
A new ad campaign urges lawmakers to reject gay marriage repeal. Kevin Smith says he is focused on jobs.
Kevin Smith was in the trenches fighting the state law that allows same-sex couples to marry in New Hampshire. But as a Republican candidate for governor, the former Cornerstone Action director tells Patch he is focused on jobs.
During an interview in front of the New Hampshire Statehouse, Smith mentioned the word "jobs" more than a dozen times. He addressed gay marriage only when asked about it, and a bill (House Bill 437) that would repeal the statute.
A new group, "Standing Up for NH Families," launched an ad campaign this week to urge lawmakers to reject the gay marriage repeal bill.
Smith tells Patch, "It's not going to be a theme of my campaign and it's not going to be a focus of my campaign."
Dan Tuohy
12:35 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
What's that–a push for jobs or the legislation in question?
Jan Schmidt
12:44 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
he says... "It's not going to be a theme of my campaign and it's not going to be a focus of my campaign."
we know it WOULD be the theme and focus of his time as Governor.
Dan Tuohy
12:48 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Long way to Tipperary. And to Nov. 6, 2012.
Edward Dunsel
1:03 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Shorter candidate statement:
"I won't talk about my bigotry unless you ask me."
Dan Tuohy
3:19 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Sure, we'll interview Maggie Hassan and others. The question on HB437 is timely, given these radio and TV ads on the issue. Have you seen/heard them?
Seamus Carty
4:54 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Why not people vote as they have in so many other states?
ForThePeople
6:40 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
http://247wallst.com/2011/07/21/108558/4/
7th least taxed state in the union. We don't have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem. Just another state where the rich get richer.
Tony Schinella
11:50 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Regina, that link is a bit disingenous. Note that the percentage of income separation between New Hampshire as 7th lowest (8%) and the highest, New Jersey (12.2%), is slightly more than 4%. That's hardly a massive swing of taxes between states.
Then, there is this: "Not all taxes in New Hampshire are low, however. The state has the third highest property tax rate in the country." Most people who own property are a heck of a lot more affluent than those who rent.
So, in keeping with the theme of some of your posts, you should be very happy here, since rich property owners are levied with the third highest property tax rate in the country.
Most of us, I think, are pretty happy living here as compared to other states. That's why we're here. :-) Although few of us are getting rich.
TomRC
10:17 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
So now the majority of people can decide who to discriminate against? All these same-sex marriages have not had ANY effect on my marriage. Keep your church out of my government, and I will help keep my government out of your church.
TomRC
10:27 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Guy was a director of an anti-gay rights group. That deserves a place in the headline. Focus on jobs .... rrriiigghhhttttt.
Jan Schmidt
7:12 am on Thursday, December 29, 2011
And this is the kind of "facts" we can expect from the new right. They make shite up - and than have their puppets repeat and repeat. Perhaps they don't realize - but these are the tactics the bad guys use... the black hats... the people we boo in movies. Nice, huh?!? Can even communicate honestly... they have to lie.
ForThePeople
4:07 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
Not at all, Tony. If you read the reference, it would point out that even if you accounted for the 4% difference, that is $384 million… per year. That is a significant margin.
The size of our social services budget cut- of which we already had a budget surplus- is around that amount. In any event, it's not small potatoes. In addition, you will also note that we do not generate revenues from out-of-state visitors through a sales tax, unlike other states. Therefore, when people do visit, the income distribution goes directly to business owners (in other words, no trickle-down).
Also, if you are keeping up, you'll see that I'm not in favor of the property tax because it's not distributed fairly across all residents. I don't know what you are trying to say about rich property owners, because everyone here pays property tax even if you live in an apartment(it's included in the bill).
ForThePeople
4:07 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
"Most people who own property are a heck of a lot more affluent than those who rent."-Tony
This insinuates that anyone who owns property has some sort of affluence, which ignores that we all pay it, and also ignores that the value of the property has nothing to do with the financial situation of the persons living in it. It is certainly not taxing the rich, and as a matter of fact, the vast majority of it comes from the middle class and folks pulling money together for one house. It's just incorrect- and as you say, disingenuous- to imply that the property tax is some kind of Robin Hood scheme.
Tony Schinella
5:00 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
@ForThePeople: You're taking my words completely out of context.
Tony Schinella
5:02 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
"... you'll see that I'm not in favor of the property tax because it's not distributed fairly across all residents." This is simply not true. If you own property, you pay the property tax; if you rent, you pay the property tax, which is part of your rent. The property tax covers the bulk of the local services that we all need and want.
Edward Dunsel
5:30 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
Property taxes are totally antithetical to any sort of progressive taxation. If proerty taxers covered the bulk of needed and wanted services, why is this state"s in-state college tuition the highest in the nation by far? That's just one example.
Tony Schinella
7:25 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
I guess one has to decide where they want to live. If you want to live where there are broad-based taxes and lower in-state tuition rates, you can always move. However, you're here for a reason.
I don't speak for anyone but myself and I chose to live here (or move back here, in my case, since I'm a native whose family moved to Concord more than a century ago) because there are not broad-based taxes. We're certainly not here for the nightlife.
ForThePeople
5:51 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
I'm not sure what out of context about your quote; it links affluence with what the value of your property is, which is totally incorrect. Please note that:
1) property taxes fluctuate independent of your income.
2) property taxes are not progressive; it's possible for a poor person to pay more than a rich person in taxes, depending on the town they live in and what they live in.
3) The home you live in and the town you live in determine your tax, not your income.
The complaint is that affluence has nothing to do with it, which you clearly said; the complaint is that the burden is not fairly distributed. You can't have a class of people taking up all the money and not paying their fair share. If you would like to discuss why that's not a good idea, we can do that, but let's not pretend that the property tax is somehow fair. The court system agrees with me, per the Claremont lawsuit.
Tony Schinella
7:34 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
Here's my exact quote: "Most people who own property are a heck of a lot more affluent than those who rent." I said nothing about the value of property.
If you know renters, and I know a lot of them, you know that they don't have anywhere near the wealth or income that people who own property have. If they did, they would be owners too.
You have espoused on this website the desire to have "the rich" pay more than others. Well, if that is one of your goals, you should be happy with the current system here in New Hampshire. The larger and more expensive the house, the more tax you pay. A rich person will undoubtedly own a larger house than a poor person and, therefore, will pay more. If you're a renter, you a little pay too, since the tax is built into your rent. That's a pretty fair distribution of current taxes.
The broad-based tax schemes forwarded at the Statehouse in recent years will harm renters - often the poorest people in our state - by taxing at the paycheck or the cash register but offering no tax relief in rental costs.
Tony Schinella
7:37 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
I would add, as well, that if you are rich, you probably live in a rich town that is a donor community. Those people pay more into the system. If you have a spectacular view, you pay the view tax. If you are rich and own more than one home, you get nailed twice, based on your wealth and the value of what you own. You can't get more progressive than that.
ForThePeople
7:46 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
The larger and more expensive the house? Well, which is it? The size of the house has less to do with it than where you bought the house. That's part of the problem, the size and extravagance of your house has nothing to do with it. A rich person can purchase a large house in the country and pay less taxes than a lower middle-class elsewhere. You are drawing relationships between renting and affluence; I know folks that rent who are most certainly not poor. For example, some people move to Concord for the school system, rent an apartment, and then move out after the kids graduate. That's quite common, and it has nothing to do with income. Instead of coming up with testaments, please address the Claremont lawsuit, which found inequities in the property tax system.
I'm not making this up, Tony, and I have as much history in this state as you do (if not more), although I think that's a bogus argument to begin with. We all have our own reasons to be here, and in my case, I want fairness for all of us. In the Republican case, they only want fairness for themselves.
I reject the argument that somehow imposing a sales tax would not provide relief for rent. With a proper implementation, rent would go down (after all, supply and demand, right?). If a renter could charge more now, they would. And they do, irrespective of the tax. And if it created a market for housing, that's a good thing. It would obviously have to be phased in.
ForThePeople
7:48 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
"If you don't like it, leave"
"I've been here longer than you"
… and so on, that is playground negotiation. That's not how you run a democracy or a discussion. That's why we talk about these things, so we can point out what's working and what's not working. Otherwise, we would still be colonies.
Tony Schinella
9:33 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
@ForThePeople: Again, you're taking my words out of context. I didn't tell anyone to leave. But, if you aren't happy, you can, if you want. Why should I, or anyone else, with long roots in the community have to leave because some new people move in and think we should be taxed more to provide things they want that they can get elsewhere?
Why do you think people move here (or more back here) in the first place? To escape high taxes, wasteful spending, and to be left alone. MassINC did a study a few years back looking at why more than 100,000 people fled Massachusetts for New Hampshire and found that broad-based taxes were one of the main the reasons.
Why do people stay here? Low taxes, relatively inexpensive housing, the mountains, the ocean, etc. We can buy bagels here and we couldn't before.
Why has every candidate who has ever run statewide with a broad-based tax plan lost? (Mark Fernald, Paul McEachern, etc.). Why has every broad-based tax plan been killed in the Legislature or vetoed, even by Democrats? They know that the majority of the people don't want them. You know, a democracy, majority rules.
As far as housing goes, yes, the larger and the more expensive a house is, the higher it is taxed. If you buy or build a big house, you're going to be taxed more than a small house. Progressivity at work! The rich person who buys or builds the bigger house is taxed more! Why aren't you happy?
ForThePeople
10:37 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
Why do you keep avoiding the Claremont issue? The courts clearly ruled that property taxes were inequitable between towns. You continue to ignore the fact that the size of your house doesn't equal your property tax. You continue to ignore the fact that the difference in property taxes is the town that you live in. You can easily game the system by parking in an apartment, living in a depressed county, so on and so forth. It doesn't reflect income at all. It doesn't reflect the size of your house. Are you saying that if we had a progressive income tax instead of a property tax, that it would be the same? If you aren't saying that, then you really are baiting with your comments because that's what I'm trying to discuss here (inequitable tax burden).
I'm well aware of the statewide reaction to broad-based taxes, but the attitude about it has changed tremendously within the last few years, especially as the middle class gets smaller. You are going to find across history and across the nation that attitudes are changing, and you are going to find that's coming to New Hampshire. We already see it with the Occupy protests. By the way, we still have broad-based taxes in New Hampshire, they just aren't the big two.
As said before, your roots aren't any deeper than mine nor my extended family, and that argument is bogus, anyways. It's meaningless in a democracy.
We are going to disagree about the fairness of property taxes. Like it or lump it, I'm not the only one saying it.